A futurist does not predict the future; rather they help others create better futures.

To understand how to do this - I took a trip out to Wellington to interview Professor Philip Spies, a wine farmer, futurist and founder of the Institute of Futures Research at Stellenbosch University - to have a chat and record it for the latest podcast.

We talk about culture, education, the Fourth Industrial Revolution and how to fix South Africa.

Here's a link to Part 2 of the chat.

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